Вопрос: Как прекратить повторение вертиго?

Actually it is far from certain that Scotty (Stewart) and Judy (Novak) «made up» just before her fatal fall as you claim. He said to her in an unfriendly way words to the effect that Madeline can’t be brought back. In other words her plea to forgive and forget and love her as she is, not as the made up Madeline wasn’t accepted. In those days a likeable if flawed retired cop character wasn’t going to overlook the past felonies of Judy (accessory to a murder and coverup with a payoff from the murderer Elster).

That’s ludicrous! How dare you compare Scotty with a murderer, Elster! Judy jumped to her death because of her guilt from helping to murder Madeleine, making her skittish and prone to seeing «ghosts,» when they are really actual people (a nun in this case).

Ok usually these analyses are spot on, but in this case, you said it’s because of her seeking male validation is why she agrees to change her appearance.

My interpretation:

But, that’s not it. She manipulated and lied to him, then made him feel so bad (faking her death) that he entered a mental institution for a year. So the reason she agrees to change her appearance is because 1) she loves him 2) she feels guilty for what she did to him, as she knows that the memory of her is torturing him. Because she feels guilty for lying to him, and continuously lying to him.

It’s not «she’s putting up with a male fantasy» but rather a man who experienced significant truama (caused by her) trying to cope by recreating his fears with a girl who curiously looks EXACTLY like her, who lives in the EXACTLY same apartment.

Those are many coincidences that are impossible to ignore, so he was triggered by his disagreeable memory that is now resurfacing in the present (she looks the same/lives in the she place).

My once a year Vertigo post. I know it’s long and most wont read it. There are things about this film that are truly unique to cinema and for some strange reason are never addressed by film experts or historians.
This video is a dive into Vertigo among many other issues, explores the toxic male portrayed in cinema.

As all dissections of the film the character of Scotty is glossed over. Scotty is clearly a deviant. He’s a retired private detective. No one, I mean no one in the history of film history has ever delved into Scottys mindset beyond his obsession with Madeline. Scotty chose a profession that satisfied his need to be a voyeur. Coupled with the clear fact Scotty is a high functioning alcoholic creates a character that traditionally is not a protagonist. The fact Scotty takes Madeline back to his apartment,strips her naked and places her in is bed confirms Scotty is not of good moral character. It is so brazen and off putting yet he’d does it like it’s totally normal. It is behavior that one does not just do without thinking. It’s behavior he has done before. Being a private detective would be a perfect position for a predator to have as it allows opportunities to abuse power in order to carry out a fantasy. Scotty is a serial predator. A rapist in a position of trust. The worst kind of offender. He preys on the weak and disenfranchised. Equally disturbing is Judys choices as she pretends to be Madeline. Scotty plucks her out of the bay brings her to his place strips her and places her in the bed all the while Judy is faking her condition. She lets him strip her. She lest him place her in bed. She is aware of what is going on yet totally ok with it. She like Scotty lives with a sexual norm that is not something society at the time would be willing to address.
The relationship with Midge his long time companion and former fiancé shows Scotty has no desire for an independent partner. Midge has resigned herself to this understanding. She painfully lives her life in “the friend zone”. She finds her best qualities, being an independent creative educated woman as her biggest flaws. This torment would be eliminated if Scotty would just love her for who she is. She is the perfect,ideal woman. She is resigned to be his grand enabler for all of Scottys deviant desires. She knows plying him with alcohol gets him to loosen up. In the film she knows his addictions and reenforces them only to be rebuffed. Midge is a tragic character who seems to always come back to Scotty no matter what happens. No matter what he’s done she will be there to pick him up after the fall. Every time. Without fail. Until…
She realizes in the hospital there is no way life with Scotty could ever be what she had envisioned. In what is the a defining act of self realization she walks down the hall. Her steps unsteady as she cuts ties and steps off screen, for the last time, into a life she is now responsible for. Her own.
There is another oddity in this film that makes it unique to Hitchcock films. Every film Hitchcock has done up until this had been steeped in catholic guilt. If you committed a crime, a sin, you will face judgment. A good example is in Psycho. Marion a single woman is having an affair with a married man. She steals $40,000 in the hopes of keeping the man she desires. She pay for those sins with her life. All bad deeds do not go unpunished in the Hitchcock universe. Except here. In Vertigo the villain, Gavin Elster, is never brought to justice. Gavin a man who murders his wife, has relations with the woman he picked up for the express purpose of using her to set up the murder. Gavin sets the ball in motion that will destroy the lives of his wife and Judy as well as permanently scar Scotty who at the end of the film stands at the precipice, staring into the void. If there wasn’t a fade out the fate of Scotty would be the same as Judy and Madeline. Gavin commits the perfect crime and just skips out of the country with his newly acquired wealth.
My last point I need to make is about the Nun. This YouTube video misses a critical point in completing the spiral these characters have been caught in. The nun who causes Judy to stop back in surprise and fall to her death is not such a representation of purity. She is the representation of Madeline. The real Madeline. An important part of the plot is buried as a throwaway line. The Plot to kill Elster’s wife did have elements of truth. The real Madeline did have an odd connection with Carlotta. Gavin picked up on that and hatched the murder plot around this.The nun rises up like a spirit from amongst the dead. She says “ I heard voices”. The voice you hear is the voice of Judy as Madeline. To Judy this is her greatest fear. She is being confronted with the very woman she helped murder. It’s a moment not of being startled by just the presence another person in the bell tower. It the terror and confusion as to who that person is that causes Judy to recoil.
I’ve studied this film for decades. It’s characters are so damn fascinating. It’s not so much what they do but why they do them. The choices made by the filmmakers to show just enough of their behaviors to clue you into the real darkness that lies just under the surface.

The ending doesn’t really matter since, by that time, one is mildly hypnotized and less-caring about a cogent ending. The hypnotic state, being pleasurable, renders one enjoying the cinematic experience.

Петрик. Ну пожалуйста. Ну не позорься. Ну хватит выравниваться по «пальцу», «чеке от гранаты» и тд. Все это становиться максимально БЕССМЫСЛЕННО, если у тебя хоть немного смещено отображение рук (как у меня например). Ищи другие ориентиры связанные с прицелом. Ибо это жесть. каждый раз передергивает

VERTIGO so utterly brilliant, the more often you watch the film, the more it gets part of your subconsciousness. i have watched VERTIGO many a dozen times.
thank you, Hitch, thank you, Kim Novak, James Stewart, Barbara Bel Geddes ��

Боже, играл на фейсите это новое вертиго, просто неиграбельно, если вы за кт не держите рампу, то А плент отрезается одним смоком, и выбить такое нереально, все теры смотрят 1 выход и все, а зачем ходить на б если на а, при паре разменов изи раунд

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Good analysis, except that I don’t know why you’re lionizing Judy as some kind of feminist icon, done wrong by Scotty. She’s an accessory to murder for god’s sake, not some kind of victim! And none too bright, either, to be wearing a «souvenir of the murder,» as Scotty put it, and thinking a man of his observational powers, especially one obsessed with Madeleine, wouldn’t notice it!

Петрик бро! Зачем ты это делаешь? Ты сам спецом придумываешь все эти фишки и тактики? ЗАчем? Пусть команды этим занимаються, которые получают за это деньги. Но зачем ты это делаешь? Ради просмотров или что? Я бы понял если бы у тебя там была команда и ты показываешь то что вы наработали.

I have never understood the fuss about Vertigo far from a great film, let alone great Hitchcock. The plot is full of holes and ridiculous from beginning to end. After the cop falls to his death, how did he get down? Why does ‘Judy’ allow herself to be manipulated into exposing her own lies and manipulation? I never cared about anyone’s fate. The entire plot is based on forced coincidence and even the end is lame with the nun startling her to fall to her death? An interesting exercise in style and nothing else.

Tbh Judy was quite stupid. She really thought that he would never discover the true story? This really shows how she was desperate to be loved. And Scotty was responsible for Judy’s death to a certain extent. For this reason, I guess his obsession never ended and he eventually killed himself or died of depression.

I think the acrophobia is a metaphor for fear of looking back the past, or the trauma. The past is where you buried all your guilt, your torment, your pain. It’s the deepest part of yourself. It makes you feel dreadful and vertigo when you try to face it. And you can’t stand the thought of looking down the abyss, not again. You think, like Scottie, you can get used to it, one step to another, but it only leads you to a much deeper and more painful place.

Good lord what an analysis! You’ve misinterpreted and ruined my favorite movie by throwing in some rant about male dominance. This is so far from the real storyline it comes out of your head, not this movie. Terrible analysis…..

Interesting, but towards the beginning the narrator says that at the end of the film Scottie and Judy «kiss and make up.» Kiss, yes, but «make up»? Hardly. Scottie had just said, «There’s no bringing her back.» Saying they «made up» was totally incorrect.

This is, hands down, one of the most haunting and intriguing films I’ve ever seen. For many years after i acquired the DVD, I would stop watching at the point when Madeleine «jumped» to her death. The ending with what happened to Judy was so unsettling and unpalatable to me to the point where it was too painful to watch that part. Now, I suppose my tastes have matured a bit and I can watch it from beginning to end without flinching too much. This film is truly an unforgettable work of art.

Two obvious things are missed here: Vertigo is appealing because it is beautiful. The lush colours, the careful composition, the costumes, San Francisco before they wrecked it, the music there’s beauty that everyone can relate to. The second thing missed is that Scotty is a detective. He is trying to solve the puzzle of why his mind and body aren’t functioning properly. He sets about solving the puzzle in a methodical fashion. I think audiences know this in the back of their minds which is why they tolerate his treatment of Judy but then again, does she not, as an accomplice to murder, deserve it?

he never physically forced her to changer her. She could have rejected him and moved on but she did not and stayed. So the statement that male power and dominance kills women is wrong. the correct statement would be she wanted male validation even if it meant erasing her self completely that «excess» led to her demise.

Ждём предмет «картоведение» где будут подобные лекции с дефолтами за разные стороны.
P.S. у Fallen’а есть похожие видосы (инферно старое, овер(где он ещё показывал тактическую карту атаки и дефолты) и мираж(серия Game’s Academy), последнее Фоллен наиболее подробно разобрал, ещё кван озвучивал перевод). Нужно больше такого ру контента!

I have a more practical question. Not symbolic. And obviously I’m assuming there’s nothing left to spoil for anyone reading this. I know there was an additional final scene (removed from the original release) with Midge and Scotty and the European police hunting Gavin Elster, but this was at the insistence of the censor. My question is will John Ferguson be able to explain what he was doing with Judy in the bell tower? Will anyone believe him about the murder and that Judy was a conspirator? Does he have any actual evidence? Does Judy actually resemble the murdered wife beyond superficially? The only corroboration is the necklace. But is that enough? I’d appreciate anyone’s opinion.

Тактика: Улитки, каждый берет Негев ставит сенцу на минималку зажимает шифт ктрл и идёт на плент лепить свой панцерь после поставленного плента улитка должна умереть. Выбирается случайным (не случайным) образом человек который будет главной улиткой за которым будут следовать остальные, если главная улитка умерла то все Улитки которые следовали, разбегаются и в одиночку выигрывают раунд. После выстрела всей обоймы в Негеве улитка должна выбросить оружие (Негев и пистолет) и идти в ближнею атаку без шифта и кетрела с нормальной сенцой.
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I always thought the use of green symbolized Scotty’s envy. He is lusting after his old friend’s wife whom he is supposed to be protecting. Then after the wife is dead, he still wants her so his envy drives him to find a girl who looks like her but he has to make her exactly like the woman that caused his envy.

When elsters wife started having hallucinations and dizzy feelings in the forest i guessed that she was faking it like she was faking the whole thing and wanted to decieve scotty. When the twist came i was still surprised. It was one of the best movies i ever watched. It lingered in mind for a long time with the erie music still playing in my head.

Mild bitching about «oh no feminism» in the comments section aside this was a great analysis. I’m taking a class on reading film language and it’s fascinating we recently watched this film and are studying film noir genre. I have to do a paper on this movie and you helped give me some direction.

Question: what do you make of Miranda,’s husband who is supposedly the main character’s «friend» using him as an alibi do to his weakness of hieghts? Do you feel he was looking down on his masculinity? The court scene where the judge lays into him and his weakness shows how little sympathy another man toward has toward his condition and looks down on it.

Also the main character is put in a villainous light for how he treats Judy and I agree she gets badgered by him, but what about his victimization by both Judy and his murderous best friend? His vertigo gets exploited by them and when he feels he failed to save another person he lands in mental hospital. He gets mind fucked.